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Some Tips and Things Leaned along the way

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Raising the bar: So far Ive been happy that I raised the form that the boat frames mount to. The plan says 24" off the floor, but I raised it to 32". With this small boat, I have not found it to be too high. The working level for the sides was good as I could sit on a stool for much of the work and it kept me off my knees. It is easy to get underneath the boat for various checks and bottom installation.






Recycled Ping-Pong Table: This has been a could base for mounting the forms while covering the carpet. Surrounded by 1/4" plywood, it does not move around and is a stable platform. If I had it to do over, I would add a 2x4 reinforcement from side to side directly underneath the form feet. It rocks slightly when pushed from the side as I only have a 2x4 reinforcement down the middle of the tables underneath where the 2x6 mounts down the middle. With the carpet and padding underneath the protective plywood, it flexes a bit underneath my feet and is very comfortable to stand on, unlike cement floors.




Gum Containers: I looked at an empty Eclipse gum container and being a pack rat it looked too good to throw out. So I asked myself, "Self, What could you use this for?" And the self answered, "Screws". They are terrific. The top unscrews for loading, the clear top allows seeing whats inside, it opens as a shaker spout for or the clear top pops open. Way cool. Im chewing alot of gum now trying to get enough containers for all the different screw sizes. Maybe they should advertise that!


Screw Lube: Sometimes screwing goes better with a little lube...get your mind back on track, were talking boats here. After breaking a couple of the silicon-brass screws, I started putting a small amount of "Screw-lube" on the tip and the problem went away.


Dry Wall Screws: I used these screws for the temporary screw blocks and while they may be cheap and drive home easily, but they also sometimes break when removed. I didnt learn my lesson and kept using them, and had another three break off when removing the screw blocks on the second front bottom piece.
Broken Screw Removal: When the cheap drywall screws are broken off at the surface with nothing to put a vice grip on, what do you do? They have to come out or they would rust later. After digging through my shop, I found a roll pin with an I.D. about the screw shaft diameter. I filed a short spiral so it would cut the wood around the screw shaft when rotated counter-clockwise. I chucked it up and started pushing and boring around the screw shaft. It would smoke and act like it wasnt going to work until with a bit more brute force it would grab the screw and out it would come. Drilling clockwise into scrap wood would remove the screw shaft so I could reuse it. I used it more than I would have liked.
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Some Articles on My Boats

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Recently two came out, one in Small Boats Monthly and the other on the brand new, UK-based Barnacle Bill. Small Boats covered the Calendar Islands Yawl and Barnacle Bill had a piece by a customer in the UK who has built and avidly rows a Drake 17.

http://smallboatsmonthly.com/article/calendar-islands-yawl/

A Calendar Islands Yawl based in Duluth, MN
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http://www.joomag.com/mag/0021558001447415734


The orogonal Drake 17 rowed by me in one of the Small Reach Regattas


Sorry these may not show much unless you have a subscription. Believe it or not I dont read much boats stuff....but these are very well worth he money. Both rags will require good contact and readership. So far the writing is excellent!
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Get angry and write some fucking letters

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Someone making sense, an interesting/better alternative to open carry, and a very good point being made...


Free Lolita | #16425DaysASlave from Ian W. McGee on Vimeo.

If youre reading Boat Bits you obviously have some spare time to write a couple of letters and just generally kick some ass.

So, get to doing!

Listening to some good music for a good cause

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some scowish goodness

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What some drugs should cost (or how youre being ripped off), a bit of needful reading you may have missed, and the word for today is "churlish".

So, yeah, about scows being non-competitive against state of the art pointy front boats...



Listening to Aretha Franklin

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Some more nice plywood

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A little good news, some seriously scary shit, and a very impressive trip...



I miss the French canals.

Listening to Soldat Louis

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Dories get some attention!

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I signed onto the Wooden Boat Forum the other day and to my utter delight someone else had created a post on one of my boats, the Deblois Street Dory. At the wonderful 2nd annual Fall Shop and Messabout, I finally had an opportunity to sail the D St. D myself. First off, the talk and messabout was wonderful. We had special guests, Walter & Karen Wales, Sam & Susan Manning, and Thad Danielson. Over 35 people attended.

Shop Talk

Together under one roof, the speakers represented about the most knowledge about dories alive today. Walter is infamous for his experience with the Marblehead Gunning Dory, using the boat all his life for the designed purpose of the boat: rowing to ledges and hunting ducks. Sam is renowned for his drawings of boats in general but, to my mind, especially for his illustrations in the Dory Book by John Gardner and Sam. Sams drawings are what inspired me to design my own dory, the Deblois Street Dory. I very much would like to produce a kit for the Marblehead Dory at 18. Who would like one? Let me know...would you like it at the originally drawn 196" or 18 or 16?

How about the Deblois St Dory...would you be interested in seeing this boat available as plans and/or a kit? More photos of the D St Dory underway:

Deblois St. Dory


More on the 2nd annual Fall Talk & Messabout can be seen on the WBF thread "2nd Annual Shop Talk and Messabout at Clint Chases Shop"

More about the WB thread on the Deblois Street Dory

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Responding to some comments

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Firstly, a note from my friend, Allan Burke,another from a contributor in Florida, and one from Woody: -

"Rossco, Just knew this design was coming! Ever since I read Munroes story something keeps stiring inside me about Egret. WHEN I win the lottery you can build US an Egret original,then well both know how she sailed. Meantime your new design on the same theme will whet many other appetites Im sure. There will be much interest in this boat of yours from those who know Egret. Al."

"Something about Egret grabs the soul! Living in coastal florida makes it even closer to home. Anxiuosly awaiting updates, as this design is closer to reality for me than the 28 replica!"

"Lovely! I wonder if the final drawling will be made for the possibility of the occasional night sleeping aboard. Woody"


Well, the customer who prompted the design of this boat has commenced purchasing materials and I hope that we may see some progress in a month or so. I dont think it will be a quick build due to his current workload, but the hull will be easy to put together once the components are assembled.

Construction is from 12mm, 9mm and 6mm marine ply using the traditional skiff construction technique of wrapping pre-cut side panels around frames and bulkheads i.e. no strongback is required. The bottom panel (12mm/1/2" ply) is fitted inside the topside panels flush with their lower edges, and then set in position with glass/epoxy as in stitch-and-glue.

As I mentioned in the original post , this design is not a copy of Egrets lines, but is an attempt to capture her character. The proportions are significantly different, as a direct copy would have resulted in some elements being unsuitable due to the difference in physical size. When drawing the new boat, I did not once refer to the Egret drawings until after I was completely finished.

As for sleeping aboard, there is just enough width to have a person sleeping on the floorboards on either side of the centreboard case. Length is not a problem.

Im very interested to see how this boat goes. She has a small sailplan, but I suspect that she will go much better than many people would expect, and the customer visualises himself poling over the flats in good weather.
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"Love Phoenix III and First Mate. Your post prompted me to pull down L Francis "Sensible Cruising Designs", and the beach cruiser was in the book. Great inspiration. Another of his designs that would make a useful beach cruiser is "Carpenter", built lightly..."

L. Francis Herreshoffs Carpenter - 18 LOA 163"LWL 46" Beam
From Sensible Cruising Designs - International Marine Publishing, Camden, Maine
Ive always been fascinated by the shape and size of Carpenter, and in many ways she would perform the same function as Little Egret. But in my mind, I see Carpenter sailing on blue water off a rugged coast - comfortable under her modest sailplan and with her able and sea-kindly hull giving her skipper confidence....
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"Great post here in regards to stainless steel fasteners , my dad runs a company that produces them back in the UK, ive always been interested in their applications."

I dont use stainless steel fasteners very much because I am concerned about crevice corrosion. Stainless steel is ok as long as it is 316-grade, and is exposed to a free flow of water or air. But if the flow of air or water is restricted, rust forms quickly. A good example is the common sight of a stainless steel chain plate bolted against the topsides of a boat - the outer surface of the chain plate looks shiny and perfect, but there is a long red rust stain running down the boat where the chain plate is bolted against the hull. If you must use stainless steel, make sure it is 316-grade, and also be absolutely certain to set it in good-quality polyurethane bedding compound.

For permanent screws and nails, I use silicon bronze, but I do make extensive use of 316-grade stainless steel screws and brads for temporary fastening. People ask me why I use stainless if the fastenings are going to come out anyway? The answer is that if one breaks off, at least there is some chance that it will resist corrosion if it is burried in epoxy.
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"Curious as to what design is "waiting in the wings" that may use leeboards. Sounds interesting. Maybe its the one that will balance with a passenger seated on the aft thwart? Woody"


Well, there is the hull I was talking about. She is the same sort of size as Phoenix III and First Mate, but built either as a strip planked hull, or as a glued-lapstrake (clinker) hull with eight planks per side. The transom is shown vertical, but in the finished drawings it will have 10 degrees of rake. Breadth at the rail has been carried forward so as to allow adequate spread at the oarlocks when rowing from a forward position (yes, Woody, you were correct) and to provide reserve buoyancy. The other reason for carrying the breadth forward is to allow for better mounting of leeboards if that was considered.

These plans wont be available for quite some time, as I am too busy with building work, but I would like to build one for my own use - maybe....
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Some seriously good news

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There be bigots assholes in Dent County Missouri, just some welfare for rich folks, and Im not quite sure the military and I share the same definition of the word humane...

Ive never been a big fan of carrying around a lot of pyrotechnics as things designed to explode/burn on a boat just make me nervous. A feeling underlined over the years by a too large number of incidents where flares became part of the problem rather than the solution.

Truth be told, flares scare me.

Then theres the ongoing need to replace your flares every couple of years... Yeah, I know flares have a three year lifespan but, try as I may, whenever I find myself needing to buy flares I only seem to be able to find flares with eighteen months or so validity.

Have I mentioned that flares are silly expensive?

So, in the "its about frelling time" department...

... Finally an electric flare that is USCG approved (and yes I know it looks like a man-overboard light).

The good news is from here on this is the only night signal you need to carry and combined with a distress flag as your day signal (which comes with the Sirius flare) its all you need to be 100% street legal with the USCG and other powers that be.

But wait... It gets better!

The Sirius electric flare is not "dated" with an expiry date which means the only thing you need to replace is the c-cell batteries when needful. That said, if you lose or screw it up you can order a replacement and get it shipped to you by the US Mail or something similar.

Of course I saved the best for last... It only costs $99!

Doing the happy dance...

Listening to Chuck Johnson

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Some apt Labor Day news

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Someone making some sense, EBM asks an important question, and about that beefed up in blue with the telltale acne look...

For anyone needing to buy boat stuff over the rest of the Labor Day weekend or in the near future, you should be aware that the union warehouse workers at Defender are currently on strike. I dont think I need to tell any Boat Bits readers that its always negative karma to cross picket lines (and that includes an online order).

Listening to Billy Bragg

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Fleet Some Initial Test Reports

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Since my last post about Fleet, she has been used frequently and hard. Here is part of the text from some stuff Ive posted on the Woodenboat Forum in response to questioning: -

This rig is light-weight - even with the relatively heavy 6hp 4-stroke


Firstly the missing dimensions: - LOA 15/4572mm; breadth 4 0-9/16"/1233mm; draft as drawn 4-3/4"/120mm; displacement 543-1/2 lbs/247kg. Hull is stitch-and-glue from 1/4"/6mm plywood panels, sheathed in 6oz/200gsm glass.

Testing so far has been with one, two, and three adults (and various combinations of children) using a 6hp Suzuki 4-stroke outboard which weighs 57lbs/26kg - the motor is brand-new and therefore tight, and no propeller development has been attempted. In relatively rough beach conditions (an open ocean exposed surf beach on the Australian east coast) with two large men aboard weighing 385lbs/175kg plus motor, and sundry equipment including water, the GPS-measured speed varied between 10 knots and 12 knots depending on trim and point-of-sail so to speak. The boat has been taken out through dumping surf, and back in again to the same beach, running straight up the beach at wave speed- this has been done repeatedly after fishing trips in the early hours of the morning.

On the day of the initial launching the boat was able to plane with three men aboard, although nobody had a GPS so the speed was not recorded. Now the speed may technically have been in the semi-displacement range, but the boat felt as though she was planing, and operated very nicely.

She has also been tried using a 2.5hp Suzuki 4-stroke and ran in a pleasant and surprisingly fast semi-displacement mode (two men and one man aboard). So far we havent been able to record GPS speeds with the 2.5hp motor. As far as Im concerned, the ultimate motor is a 4hp, because it is the largest motor we can use in this State without registration.

Limited rowing has been attempted, but results so far are encouraging. Here is a quote out of an email (unsolicited) from a very experienced tester: -
Hi Ross, yes I went East in Wills lightweight boat, your "Fleet" (called "San Pedro" ) this am.
Bit of a dump of waves on the beach at Moffat, but patience was rewarded by a nice clear push off the beach and a responsive (she shot away) row by the "old man" took us out quickly as the first couple of pulls on the motor failed to fire.
Quite a good ground swell, but lovely conditions on the surface with very light winds.

We motored around trialling the "new 6hp" for quite a while, and on two way runs found about a steady average 10 knots. (two up, (170kg plus say 15kg of gear). We did go to 12 with some wave assist. The waves go faster than the boat of course, which I believe adds to its safety as the fine entry would induce broaching at speed, a vice to be avoided in a light outfit.

Minor adjustments to trim (passenger facing forward and not back) lifted the speed by 10%.

A much nicer feel under way than a "tinny", of that there is no doubt.
I must say Ross, I was impressed beyond expectations as she really moved considering the load and was soft riding and quiet. I guess one of the benefits of the low power is that you cant get airborne, but you sure cover a lot of ground at 10 Knots. The boat with its glass skin and inhales and gunwales, seemed very strong and inspired confidence. I reckon she would be a fairly wet of course if choppy and the wind is off to the quarter. She will benefit from some attention to that aspect. (I know you already have the solution in mind.)
As a bonus on four short drifts away from Brays reef, we kept four very respectable fish. (One squire and three sweeties, the biggest being over 1.5 Kg.)
Our return to the beach was fun with the good swell still running. We again just picked the time and Will. followed a good wave (with a gap behind it) and went smoothly (at 10 knots) up onto the beach. We jumped out and started pulling, one on each side and she went up the sand like she was on grease. (This is noteworthy as even a light "tinny" binds to the wet sand and is a cow to move up a sloping beach)Will put the dolly wheels under her and we ( actually Will and friend Tim) walked her back up the ramp and then the path to the unit.
Total time to the house from leaving Brays reef was 15 minutes exactly. Some sort of record for off the beach I reckon.
The boat is a winner Ross, and such an easy build, with practical, useful, outcomes. My guess on motors is 6 hp (maybe 2 stroke) for outside, and 2 to 4 for calm work would easily get hull speed with a load. The big hatches that Will put in are fantastic, and we had all sorts of stuff in them. I wouldnt have it any other way. All he needs now is a leeboard, tiller and a fan or crab claw sail, and the picture would be complete. (wink wink)Thought youd like a report from an old seasoned observer of small powered beach boats.Good luck and kind regards John

I also had this to say on the forum: -

The owner has just been on the phone to me to say that he has been taking out a lot of experienced boat-fishermen up where he lives in Caloundra (north of Brisbane, Australia) and he says that they are overwhelmingly impressed with the boat in the tough beach conditions they get up there - serious surf! What Will said was that these guys have forgotten what it is like to go beach fishing with a light and (hopefully) capable boat like Fleet (San Pedro) because they have spent years using tinnies and glass boats with big motors, and have forgotten the joys of light wooden boats.

On the day that the Tuna you see in the boat were caught, Will picked up a friend by backing down to the shore in substantial surf using the little 2.5hp motor and keeping the bow to the waves. They then went out through the surf to the point where he had seen the fish, and both got a hook-up. He said that even though they were relatively small fish as Tuna go, the pair still pulled the boat through the water enough to make a noticable wake. He said that characteristic makes her a "soft" fishing boat. Im no fisherman, but he says it is a very good feature. He bled and gilled the fish on the way back in, and bailed the blood before the beach.

A significant point is that his friend is a real estate agent, and had put out his signs before coming down to meet the boat at 7.30. They completed the whole fishing and cleaning operation and were at home just after nine. The real estate agent went home, showered and got to his first "open house" before the advertised time of ten oclock! The point of that long story is that if they had been using a large boat with 300hp of outboard, that fishing trip would not have taken place. Small and wooden is beautiful!





Ill report more when we get GPS data when using the 2.5hp, and if we can get one, a 4hp.
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in the I need some polka music and I need it fast department

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Something interesting about a goldfishs attention span, a worthwhile read (especially the last paragraph), and a survey you might want to take...

A couple of days ago, our cat Willow started growling and a few seconds later I heard an anchor splash a few feet off our beam.

At the time I was in a bay that hosted a half-dozen boats with plenty of room to anchor anywhere and no need at all for a 48-foot cat to drop an anchor ten feet off my starboard side on a very short scope. Which, obviously, was pissing off Willow greatly, had me looking for fenders, and wondering just when did folks cruising start anchoring like it was a downtown parking lot.

The answer to the question remains somewhat hazy but I distinctly remember that in the early 90s the SOP was to anchor as far as humanly possible away from any boats already anchored...

Sure there were the odd exceptions of up close and way too personal anchoring tactics. One that stands out was when friends of ours on a Simpson cat had a bowspritted boat come up behind them so close that when they actually dropped the anchor it landed in one of their sugarscoop transoms (apparently caused by excessive imbibing of Funador brandy).

Of course, even back then bareboats already had a pretty horrible reputation for anchoring way too close but somewhere along the line it would seem the practice has become the norm and not just among bareboat folks but with term charter crews (who really should know better) and the general population of cruisers.

These days its not unusual to see a big bay, mostly empty and a small knot of boats anchored one atop the other to the point that some of the boats are putting out fenders.

It makes me wonder...

...where I can find a CD of a heavy metal polka band covering Captain Beefheart.

Listening to Temperance Movement

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Catching Up on Some Comments

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For quite a long time now Ive been unable to up-load photos to my blog without going through the process of putting them on a picture hosting site and them using the url of each individual photo. With the combination of Christmas/New Year, and a lot of building work to be done, I am afraid that posting has fallen behind. This is all done in my own time, and at my own expense, and it sometimes must take second place to paying work!

The computer people here will roll their eyes, but Ive finally discovered that the picture loading problem was caused by incompatibility between the Microsoft Internet Explorer I had been using and the Google Blogger program which I use for the blog. Ive now changed to Google Chrome for my internet work, and all seems to be working fine.

So Im going to start off by answering a few comments that have been left on some of my posts.

Mr.Lillistone,Ive followed your blog for a while,Thank you for your time,energy ,and expertise,It is appreciated by many!!! I know you have built both Michalaks Mayfly and Redmonds Bluegill,Im considering building either one and would like your professional opinion.Do you think the Mayfly leeboard and balanced lug sail plan could be used on the Bluegill ,if the sail is properly positioned over the leeboard,and leeboard is centered on beam?I would like the open cockpit the leeboard affords.Any info. Would be appreciated thanks in advance ! Jerry Fehn on Reality

The Bluegill we built, showing her centreboard case
Jerrys comment refers to a matter which has nagged at me for many decades. A centreboard is convenient to use and is to a large extent self-tending i.e. put it down and if you are too busy for detail work, just leave it down until it hits the bottom coming home. On the other hand, leeboards need to be handled from tack to tack because, as their name suggests, they only work when set on the leeward side of the boat.

A raised leeboard on a Dutch Yacht (taken from http://www.leeboards.com/)
That is me sailing my Bolger Nymph a long time ago. I had fitted her with leeboard for experimental purposes, but in this photo they are both raised as the boat is running downwind.
My understanding is that leeboards originated in China, along with such things as stern-mounted rudders, centreboards, and watertight bulkheads to name just a few Chinese nautical inventions/developments. Leeboard use has been widespread, but most people associate them with Dutch, German, and British sailing vessels.

This shows a typical lowed position for a leeboard.

Leeboards may appear untidy to some eyes, and to need handling from tack to tack, but they are highly efficient. Frequently the boards are angled away from the hull to allow a clean passage of water between the hull and the board so as to prevent excessive drag. This feature also means that as the boat heels, the board becomes more and more vertical - which is just the opposite of what happens with a centreboard or fixed keel. Not only does the board become more vertical, but it also works from the surface of the water, whereas the centreboard only works from where it exits the bottom of the boat. This has the additional benefit of allowing leeboards to operate effectively in a partially raised position in shallow water, and not extend below the bottom of the boat.

A Bolger Black Skimmer sailing with her board partially raised. The board is effective, but does not extend any deeper than the hull, if at all. (Photo from Woodenboat Magazine)
An overlooked plus with leeboards is that because they each operate operate on different sides of the boat (in their normal form anyway - more on that later) the sectional shape of the boards can be asymmetrical, allowing the board to lift the boat to windward at a reduced angle-of-attack in comparison with a board which has a symmetrical foil shape. The boards should have a flat face away from the boat and a cambered face towards the boat.


An Otter II with both of her leeboards raised while on her shallow water mooring. Note how the owner has the leeboards on the incorrect sides. The cambered section should face the hull, so in this case the starboard board is mounted on the port side, and the port board is mounted on the starboard side!
You may wonder why leeboards frequently have a tear-drop or triangular shape, with the widest part down low. This is because they are surface-piercing foils, and the inverted taper shape helps to reduce air-ingestion  on the low-pressure side of the board.

Despite the visual and actual clutter of the boards, they have some potent advantages in addition to the ones already mentioned: -

  • the interior of the boat is totally free of the intrusion of a centreboard case; and
  • the bottom of the boat is stronger without a centreboard slot; and
  • there is no centreboard slot to get jambed up with mud, stones, shell grit and sand - which therefore leads to the centreboard being jambed.
It is possible to mount the leeboard to one side of the boat only, but for that to be effective, the board must be prevented from bending away from the side of the hull when it is on the up-wind side. This can be done using a dagger leeboard ( which I guess would be a weatherboard on one tack) where a variety of methods are used to hold the board in place. Alternatively, you can have a pivoting lee board as developed by Jim Michalak and others. In this case, the board is held parallel to the side of the boat by a pivot bolt and wooden guards and/or slots, but the board is free to pivot in the vertical plane. Although simple in concept, great care is required to ensure that all of the pivot locations and guard angles are absolutely correct.


Above two photos show the Michalak Mayfly 14 pivoting leeboard
Here is the finished boat
Note the completely unobstructed interior....
...the very simple raising and lowering gear...
...and the lower guard with the pivot bolt going through (the piece of unpainted wood is positioning piece on the trailer)
Now, to finally get to Jerry Fehns question - Yes, it would be possible to mount a pivoting leeboard on Bluegill in place of the centreboard and case, but great care needs to be taken with the positioning of the board relative to the centre-of-area of the sail, and also with the geometry of the pivot point and the guards so that the board remains parallel with the centreline of the boat.

Having said all that, the first person who should be consulted would be Steve Redmond, the designer of Bluegill. As has been said many times in the past, no-one should alter the design of a boat without getting input from the original designer. This is not grandstanding at all - it is simply that the designer should have put a lot of thought into the design, and there may be elements there which are not obvious to the casual observer.

My recommendation would be to build something like Mayfly 14 if sailing is the most important aspect of operation. She sails superbly in my experience, and the shape of the hull is optimised for sailing whereas Bluegills hull is a deliberate attempt to produce a hull that will row, sail, and operate as a planing powerboat.
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