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More on External Chine Logs

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Phil Bolgers Otter II design, showing her external chine logs
The contributor I referred to in my previous post, Graeme, has written back with with some more comments. I dont want to bore people with an on-going debate, but I think Graemes comment is worth printing: - 

Yes but... Poohsticks is design 10-5-57, ie from the early numbering sytem Bolger used (most of that series originals and other early independent Bolger work destroyed in an unfortunate office fire.) Its almost certain the Poohsticks design was completed in 1957. The date of the write-up about it is not clear to me, but the thinking behind it may well be contemporaneous with its design.

The Light Dory Type V is from the later adopted numbering system, post fire, and denoted as design #265 [there are eight types of Bolger light dory (counting the larger ones #526, #555) as modified from #140 (types -1 to -6) and on; #140-4 being the Orrell famed "Gloucester Gull" version, and #140-6 Paysons "Gloucester Light Dory"].

Dynamite Payson first built a #140-4 in 1967 (Bolger drew #140-6 for Paysons plans sales business much later in the 1970s due to issues with Orrell and proprietry rights. However, what goes around... later, upon Orrells death, Payson successfully purchased all Orrell plan rights, and passed most of the Bolger blueprints/rights back to Bolger!). The Type V, #265, the only one with external chine logs was certainly designed around 1973 specifically for publication in "Small Boats."

Now, to our points of difference: if, as you seem to imply, the 1957 Bolger conjecture (with his obvious caveat) that a chine log "reduces eddying along under the chine by carrying the side flow aft......" is evidence of, as you say, a "Phil Bolger theory that if the hull was properly shaped, an external chine log may reduce drag", then, repectfully, I must disagree for the reasons that follow.

First, in my view its a bit too much of a stretch to turn a Bolger conjecture into a Bolger theory. Bolger raised so many conjectures throughout his career, sometimes with wry humour, often with a caveat as here, yet when he stated his theory in any way he was quite serious, and unreservedly adamant (a good example is at page 50 of "Small Boats" "My flow theory accounts for this...")

Second, sixteen years elapse between Poohsticks and the Light Dory Type V, by which time clearly Bolger is not stating an exterior chine log reduces drag, rather that he merely thinks it may not add to it.

Third, a further nine years later still, in 1982, of the projecting edge of the bottom of Lions Paw #404 ("30-ODD BOATS", p97), which is an excrescence effectively the same as an external chine log, Bolger stated that it "doesnt seem to create much added drag in a hull of these proportions". Unlike Poohsticks, or LDT V, the Lions Paw hull is certainly shaped according to his theory as applicable to sharpies to minimise eddying flow at the chine, ie to minimise drag, yet overall the chine excrescence does result in added drag despite it somewhat fencing cross chine flow (in this design it is tolerated for other reasons).

Fourth, well, admittedly not a reason carrying much weight, but allegedly the LDT Type VI actually is a bit faster than the LDT Type V. There is more going on in the way of design modifications to produce the Type V than just the external chine logs, but perhaps the fact is that they dont help either? (Type VIs have been built with external chine logs too. As far as I know theres been no comparison made with a standard VI.)

best to you
Graeme

interrogate the bolger chart,
every phrase, every mark...


Having read what Graeme has written in this piece and in his previous comment, I have to agree that my statement about Phil Bolger having a theory that external chine logs may reduce drag on a properly designed sharpie hull was overstretching the mark. However, he did imply that the increase in drag, if any, was minor - certainly far less than most people would think intuitively. If you look at my previous post, you will see a list of practical advantages to be gained from using external chine logs.

All of this has been generated by a post I wrote about a Jim Michalak-designed boat. My aim was to inform those people who seem to have a prejudice against external chine logs. Perhaps I was not careful enough with my phrasing, but the practical advantages remain. It is interesting that the people who are horrified by external chine logs dont raise any objections to external keel battens, bilge runners, or lapstrake planking...

Regarding Graemes discussion about dates of design and of publication, I have this quote from a re-publication of the books, "Small Boats" and "The Folding Schooner".

The combination book was called "Bolger Boats" I think (I dont have a copy) and in the preface (Dec 1982) he said, "...What I wrote in these two books, as opposed to what I drew, leaves me fairly contented. Draw you own conclusions from that."

Regardless of the resistance argument, Phil Bolger continued using external chine logs on designs for a very long time.
Birdwatcher with her external chine logs (sorry, I dont have a picture credit and will remove it if anybody is concerned)
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Getting ready for the chine

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      My little brother came in yesterday, and he, Ramon, and I spent the afternoon at the boat shop ripping 8"x2" rough-sawn oak into 8"x1" halves with my cheap little Harbor Freight table saw. Ill be using these for the chine lamination after running them through the thickness planer. 
      Lots of time on this build has been spent trying to morph the wood I have into the wood I want. First, for the keel I bought construction-grade Southern yellow pine which promptly warped. Ramon and I used all manner of clamp configurations to get that stuff to laminate up into semi-straight pieces. Then, I milled the frame lumber from rough sawn white oak. Ripping the full oak pieces thickness-wise has been our toughest challenge yet. My table saw doesnt quite cut through half of the 8" width so we today we ran the pieces through on each side three times so we wouldnt blow a fuse (though we did manage switch the breaker multiple times anyway) and then ran a Sawzall down the middle to finally split the thing. Overall, though, we had a great day and worked off the beer and sushi from last night.

Boatbuilding in Hindsight:
1. Pay the little bit extra to have the wood milled.
2. Get a bandsaw.
3. Id really like to have some nicer power tools for the next build, but I certainly dont regret going with the cheap stuff the first time around (particularly because my shop is so exposed to the elements).

Here the frames are squared and braced from the outside. Ill add bracing on the inside before laminating the chine, then remove the exterior bracing to install the stringers.

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Laminating the Chine

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I half expected the boat to be engulfed by those little sandcastles that termites make when I came back to the boat shop this week after a nearly five month absence. No termites, thank goodness, just a lot of black mold. I welcome the mold. It comes with the incredible amount of rain weve received over the past several weeks. Rio Grande City is now a tolerable grassland rather than a post-apocalyptic dust bowl. 

NASA was wonderful. I developed some algorithms for optimizing medical kits for spaceflight. And met real astronauts. The whole experience was incredibly inspiring. Fresh off this NASA high, Ive re-committed to the boat project. This thing WILL GET DONE.

My brother came in on Sunday for a week of boat building. We actually spend the first few days battling the cockroaches (รก la Stormship Troopers) that made themselves welcome during my long absence. We finally got around to some boat work on Thursday and will have the first layer of the chine glued in place by the time he leaves tomorrow afternoon.


This week at my house. Pro tip: Dont leave potatoes in cabinet for 5 months.

My mentality re the boat project has shifted. I was beginning to feel paralyzed by the sheer size of the project--  by all the work remaining and all of the things that could possibly go wrong. I am now thinking no further than getting the chine laminated. Then Ill think no further than cutting the notches for the stringers on the bottomsides. Etc. This seems to be a more effective mindset, as Im pretty sure Ill be able to get the chine in, and Im pretty sure I can cut a few notches.

An acquaintance from college sent me this poem written by a boatbuilder. While at the moment I cant relate to the romanticization of boatbuilding in the body, I was particularly amused/struck by the first line: 
And so it is, the boat has come to own you

Indeed, building Luna came to own me. I resented my previous self who thought building a gigantic sailboat in small-town Texas was a good idea. Time away from Luna was exactly what I needed to build up the guts to finish her. Looking forward to the next few months of boat work!
Ali and Logan Keenan
The not-so-little brother and I.

Buehler sailboat build epoxy
Slinging epoxy.

Buehler Emily sailboat build
The first chine piece glued in place.
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